Government Operations committee  No, I actually agree with Mr. Matthews. Particularly the technology that is now available in some of the off-the-shelf systems, some of the SAP systems that we're looking at, they actually have the capacity to do the matrix mapping and the coding. If that's where we wind up going

Government Operations committee  On the systems side, with shared systems for financial management, the horizon really is three to seven years, with more substantive changes actually happening in five to seven years. What we have before you, in terms of the work plan, is what we would be doing now with existin

Government Operations committee  Yes, it does dovetail with those changes.

Government Operations committee  One of the issues we have, though, is also reducing the number of times we change, because we do need to track both behaviour and expenditures over time. If we change once the vote structure, we will still have to maintain our reporting on the current vote structure to understand

Government Operations committee  Yes. You may call it what you will, but it's a reduction, such as in operating or in capital.

Government Operations committee  It's simply a reduction, in that case, of $25,000 in the operating vote.

Government Operations committee  Right. In fact, our basic assumption in looking at the mock-ups and implementation was that Parliament would continue to vote at whatever that level of control is and they would continue to have those three options.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  Your first question was if we actually talked to the ones who didn't respond. We did a bit of an outreach to make sure we had significant input from each cluster, or each set of similar organizations. It was probably the smaller organizations in some instances that we didn't hear

Government Operations committee  In terms of changing legislation if we went to a lower level of granularity, it may be that we would have to modify some departmental legislation where they have specific authorities. The other side, though, is there are a number of government-wide policies having to do with ex

Government Operations committee  If I may, for the supplementary estimates (A), for the first time we have an online document that shows supplementary estimates by strategic outcome and program. That's for information purposes only, but it begins to give you a sense of what that would look like.

Government Operations committee  That is the difference. What we tried to do in last year's main estimates, which you have before you, was to take the information on a strategic outcome and program level as far as we possibly could, but we retained the voting structure by type of expenditure. If you were to lo

Government Operations committee  I mean the draft bill that's in the book, it's by capital grant, whereas the mock-up has it by strategic outcome.

Government Operations committee  —and at the level of the PA.

Government Operations committee  But recall that the reports on plans and priorities go into even further levels of granularity, and we didn't bring the lower levels into the main estimates.