Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Absolutely. I think it's a good bill. I'm just talking about minor amendments, one of them in proposed section 30.01, I think, about recognizing that distance education is the equivalent of classroom education. This is really important for us.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  So yes, I do support the bill. It's just that there are some very small things that don't seem to make sense to me.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Sorry, but how does what...?

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Well, I think it gives it clarity. Right now, it's just our researchers who can avail themselves of fair dealing, or so we think. If you add education, then we could use it in the learning context. We wouldn't feel guilty about moving from one website to another with students, sharing limited amounts of material, and taking advantage of the fair dealing rights available in the distance education scenario.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Yes.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  There's a recent report. If you look up “fair use” and the digital economy in the U.S., you'll probably find it, or I can get it for you. The digital economy is an economy of about $2.2 trillion, as compared to the IP economy, which was around the same, at $2.2 trillion. It's all these industries that I mentioned: web-hosting companies, search engines, software developers, device manufacturers, news agencies, etc.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  We have to protect IP, but there's another economy that depends on fair dealing, and it's just as powerful and just as important for all of us.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Not only that, it's the right thing to do.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  In 1972.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Yes.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  Computer technologies and education.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  I would support that. It has to be fair. I've been seemingly all on the user side, but I believe in protecting the rights of creators. This is important. The key point that I want to make is don't take away our rights in order to protect your rights. There are silly things in the law: you destroy your research paper within five days or you put it in a filing cabinet.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  The move is already under way. We are committed to moving to open educational resources. Quite a few universities are following in our lead already. This has started. But it's big in the States. The State of Washington has gone to open education resources. California is going. President Obama put in I think it's $200 million for the creation of open education resources.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  There's a recent survey from Spain of students using e-books, and they complained they'd rather have the paper book because of the restrictions that are put on the e-books. There are all kinds of restrictions. You can pay all the money you want, but you still have these restrictions, and the restrictions interfere with the educational process.

Bill C-32 (40th Parliament, 3rd Session) committee  It was the first time that rights were given to authors and to the universities. In fact, it didn't give rights; it limited rights. It was for the owners. The printers owned it. As it is today, generally, the authors and the creators, which I think is a misuse of the concept, don't get much of the money.