Industry committee  We've spoken to Mr. Bradley and a number of transportation firms. Talking about this is part of their C-TPAT certification system and the processes that have to be put in place. I think there are a couple of issues here. One is just the issue around enforcement. It's all well and good to say that this is an important thing to do, but from the truckers' point of view, this is just backing up more and more cost onto the trucking industry, which already sees itself as overburdened by having to deal with border costs and overall security costs.

Industry committee  I think to a large part it is the black market. Distributors or importers are bringing product in and then distributing it into the North American market, and this is one of the reasons it's so difficult to actually stop this activity at the border. I'll give you an example. I've been working for 12 years with a foundry that makes automotive castings.

Industry committee  I think a campaign to alert the public is extremely important, but we also need to educate customers about the potential impact of purchasing counterfeit products and, from an industry point of view, the quality assurance that companies can provide. I think part of the campaign to the public as well as businesses doesn't have to be that counterfeiting is bad, but that the CSA mark and other quality marks are an important part of that quality assurance process.

Industry committee  We've been talking about bilateral and trilateral trade in counterfeit product, but of course we usually talk about a global marketplace. What we're really concerned about here is the security of global supply chains. The Federal Aviation Administration estimates that somewhere around 580,000 parts going into airplanes manufactured in the United States are counterfeit product.

Industry committee  I think that's a very important concern. Our trade with the United States is the largest component of our trade, and in fact of the economy. So it is a concern when Canada is on the watch list of the USTR for as long as it has been, as a major exporter of counterfeit product into the United States, both because it's produced here and because it's being transshipped through Canada.

Industry committee  I wish I could tell you what the total scope of this activity is. But I think that's extremely difficult, apart from applying economic estimates to try to come to an approximation. If we knew the entire scope of the activity, we'd be well ahead of the game, in that we would be able to record at least some of this counterfeiting activity much better than we do right now.

Industry committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Hello, ladies and gentlemen. I will now read my presentation. I am sure that the translated will soon been ready to be distributed to committee members. First of all, I'd like to recognize and thank all the members of this committee for your hard work, your effective representation, and your common effort on behalf of Canada's manufacturers.

Environment committee  I totally agree, but I thought we were talking about whether the targets were achievable. Clearly, the effort must be made. My argument is let's focus on making that effort. I do want to raise one issue. This is in response to Mr. Godfrey, but directly to your point as well. We have to be very clear about the extent and the magnitude of this effort that we are trying to undertake.

Environment committee  It is critical. I would certainly leave it up to the environmental experts to talk about the impact on the environment.

Environment committee  The impact on business too. To the extent that we can direct investment into this technological progress that we're making, that's where the business opportunity comes from, and I think that's where the future growth opportunities are. The key issue that I hope everybody can agree on is how to do that in the most productive way possible moving forward.

Environment committee  The media coverage today was simply on this report. The point I was making was that the only way we are going to achieve a real emission reduction in Canada is to speed up this rate of technological progress. The only other alternatives are to buy emission credits internationally or reduce economic activity.

Environment committee  I think it's very important. This is one of the ways to send appropriate market signals to investors. Of course, if there are investment opportunities here where there's a return and that can be traded on the market, then yes, I think it's extremely important. But to reiterate the point that Monsieur Bertrand has made, we need a well-defined market first of all.

Environment committee  I am pretty skeptical with respect to the extent that we can realize real emission reduction here in Canada within the Kyoto timeframe when it comes anywhere close to even beginning to reduce emissions from the current levels. As I said, the rate at which we would have to invest in new technology and replace technology, which is what we have to be focusing on, goes well beyond the Kyoto timeframe right now.

Environment committee  This is page 12. I have one more page to go. This graph shows the relationship between capital investment and improvements in reducing energy intensity and reducing emissions. It's very closely tied. If we want to accelerate this process, we have to encourage more investment in new technology and the replacement of existing technology.

Environment committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and good morning. Bonjour à tous. I'm accompanied today by Nancy Coulas, who is our director of national environmental quality policy. Nancy and I have both worked on climate change issues for well over ten years, and it may be a reflection of how long we've worked on this.