Citizenship and Immigration committee  I can name you IRB members who are extremely good and were also patronage appointments, for that matter. I'm not saying patronage does not permit good members to serve. What I am saying, though, in a functional term is this: if patronage is a prominent part of the choice, people

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I served in Rome from 1959 to 1961.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I would say that Greece is subject to the rules of the European Council and the European Court of Justice. I've read the reports on Greece, because you seem to ask a lot of people that question.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I have no idea. There is no yes or no, Mr. Karygiannis. Greece has a number of flaws at the local level--

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I haven't mentioned Greece, Mr. Karygiannis.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Okay. I produced an eight-page paper for the committee last October when you discussed the private member's bill. The reasons I think it's ill-advised and not going to advance anything are all in that paper. The original submission has probably been made available to you. I th

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Well, let's say where I've served. I served in Poland from 1953 to 1955 during the Stalinist period. I served in North Vietnam when they were burying peasants up to their heads in order to produce land reform. I've served in Geneva, where I was attached to the ILO, to the Intergo

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Well, certainly. They always do.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  No, I didn't. Tell me what I said, if you've researched everything I said.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  What did I say? Mr. Chairman, I don't know what I said two years ago.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. Mr. Karygiannis talked about something I said two years ago, and I'd just like to hear what it was. Perhaps I could clarify it for him.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  I don't like these things left on the table without following them up.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  No, I said I was opposed to patronage.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  You are absolutely not correct.

Citizenship and Immigration committee  Yes, of course, but not all appointments to the IRB are patronage appointments. I had a career of 40 years fighting for human rights. I knew many countries. I was appointed on the basis of my merits as a public servant.