Transport committee  Obviously training is important, and it's an ongoing commitment to training any time you're dealing with human beings. You'll never get things perfect, but there is a commitment to training. If a leakage is strong enough, there are the other laws, the environmental laws and whatn

Transport committee  There's all manner of dangerous goods training that takes place. There's the regulatory requirement for training, product knowledge, what to do with regard to contacting first responders, those sorts of things, but every company as well, and many of the shippers too, would have s

Transport committee  It's very difficult. For example, you couldn't create an omnibus training program that would cover all 2,200 dangerous goods or even those in that smaller number of dangerous goods. It would end up being so watered down that it would be meaningless. I think the system is working

Transport committee  They are. The vast majority of companies already have them. It's the folks who try to avoid compliance, who go around the inspection stations, who are cheating, who don't, and need to be required to. That's always the way it works with any regulation. The industry is moving forwa

Transport committee  Well absolutely, but those sorts.... We wish that everyone were a member. We represent them all, they just don't all pay their dues. There are always going to be the fly-by-nighters who don't belong, who don't participate, who have not got religion as it were. That's where it's t

Transport committee  Well, don't comply or don't have—

Transport committee  It would be a small proportion. I would say that if we could deal with the bottom 5% or 10% of the industry we would have a vastly different situation on the highways than we have now.

Transport committee  I'd like, if I could, to defer to Mr. Bantle on what would happen, but it's plainly human error. That's what would cause a problem at loading or unloading. There are times when the equipment would fail and that sort of thing, but it mainly comes down to human error. I don't know

Transport committee  A major feature of the regulations of the transportation of dangerous goods is all our conveyances have to be placarded to provide the information about what's on board, so one might argue that this is already there. We have never been asked by a fire department or by the Federa

Transport committee  Absolutely. If anything, from a technological point of view, the pace of change in our industry is so rapid that the regulatory environment hasn't kept up. I'm not talking about pie in the sky stuff, but stuff that's been tested, is in broad use by responsible carriers, and that

Transport committee  I think you should hear from Mr. Bantle about his safety management system. As I said, the vast majority of carriers of all products have safety management systems. I would expect that virtually all dangerous goods haulers have safety management systems. Yes, we spend an awful lo

Transport committee  As it pertains to dangerous goods, yes, absolutely. Anybody who's involved in the dangerous goods business has a program of people it contacts in the event of a spill. Significant liabilities are at play here that can threaten your business and your company. The safety management

Transport committee  No, not at all. There is a dual regulatory system. Federal regulation covers extraprovincial trucking, that is, trucking that crosses borders. Any dangerous good that moves across the border is covered by the federal regulation. My only point was that we're not really in the busi

Transport committee  Absolutely.

Transport committee  If it's by reference, yes. If they have written their own regulations, then it takes some time for them to change their regulation.