Transport committee  We can. It's in the study that the clerk is going to circulate. I will say that the analysis in there isn't a complete line-by-line breakdown. We unfortunately couldn't provide that because the information was provided by the private operators on a confidential basis. Again, Tre

Transport committee  It's relevant because usually the criticism of contracting out is that you're doing it on the backs of the driver by slashing well-paid union jobs and replacing them with low-paid non-union jobs. Our point there is that it's not true. In fact, it's usually the same union. It's us

Transport committee  Well, it costs about $125 an hour to run a bus. The driver usually gets paid about $25 an hour. The cost savings come in the other hundred dollars.

Transport committee  Not at all.

Transport committee  No, we're not suggesting that. We're just saying that's really not legitimate criticism of contracting out.

Transport committee  Sure. In Ontario recently, GO Transit proudly expanded their service to the community of St. Catharines by running GO buses from St. Catharines to Toronto. There was already an existing Greyhound bus service. Again, it's a case of them literally opening up across the street from

Transport committee  Yes.

Transport committee  We don't, but frankly that's something we would like to encourage the federal government to do. That could be part of the strategy: the provision to municipalities of a manual, if you want to call it that, for best practices for contracting out, to make it easy for municipalities

Transport committee  Sure. Trevor, maybe you could, since you actually do this.

Transport committee  It's primarily on fares. That's the major irritant. We're not suggesting that they be exempted from paying corporate taxes or anything like that. In fact, it's not really the tax treatment of the company, it's--

Transport committee  Exactly: it's the taxes the passenger pays to use the service.

Transport committee  That's a good question.

Transport committee  I think they do.

Transport committee  They do.

Transport committee  Sure. Réal.