Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  I don't know that it would weaken enforcement, necessarily. I think there are bigger problems with addressing spills. Who's paying for them? Who's liable for them? We have a big problem with both the national and international liability insurance funds. They don't actually cover

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  Not to my knowledge, I didn't.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  I would characterize the seven-year review of CEAA very differently than you would. Factually there was a witness from an environmental group and a witness from the Assembly of First Nations, and there were multiple witnesses from industry. I guess you said you met over two month

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  We were aware, but I can tell you that most people in Canada were not. There was no effort made at outreach.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  Yes, because reviewing CEAA, which had been enacted for however many decades before, is not the same thing as looking at an entirely new act that actually flips the process around.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  I think there are different ways you can carry out a review process, and I think the way that it was—

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  —done in 2011 was not legitimate.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  I think first nations consultation is one of the aspects where the timelines really don't make sense. I appreciate that in your average environmental assessment, things can probably happen within a certain timeframe. What we're looking at here are the unknowns and the variables

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  I think that timeline is more certain. What I was referring to is that under the current process, we in Canada experience more uncertainty with proponents delaying the process, and then the new CEAA doesn't address that because the timelines don't apply to proponents.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  Yes.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  There are still no timelines for the proponents to be held to.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  I believe you're talking about panels and the decision.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  If you can point me to a clause that says that proponents have to respond with additional information within certain times, or they have to submit enough information initially that the panel wouldn't have to come back to them for additional scientific studies and information that

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  It's not less certain unless the proponent asks for a delay.

Subcommittee of the Standing Committee on Finance on Bill C-38 committee  I don't think I said anything about funding in my submissions.