Bill C-11 committee  If you believe that the primacy of the marketplace is important to this industry and it needs to be cited, then cite it in the law. We would like to see the government make the legislation. We want—

Bill C-11 committee  But we don't—

Bill C-11 committee  We don't want the justice system to have all of that in its hands. We want it in the hands of our legislators.

Bill C-11 committee  What we need is to....

Bill C-11 committee  That's okay.

Bill C-11 committee  How do you...?

Bill C-11 committee  The assumption is that people will recognize when there is an unfair dealing. If there's an exception in the Copyright Act to do something with this, an existing exception, then you use that exception. You don't use this exception plus default to fair dealing to use more exceptio

Bill C-11 committee  It's measurable.

Bill C-11 committee  I agree. We understand exactly where you're coming from on the 30 days. Yes, you're right, in the first two instances you would have infringed because you took the whole work. We are not opposed to fair dealing. We already have fair dealing in the act for a number of purposes.

Bill C-11 committee  I hope so.

Bill C-11 committee  Of course.

Bill C-11 committee  Actually, I sat for five years on the federal council on access for the visually impaired, and our association has been very involved in pilots. We're doing one right now in the province of Ontario—six universities, two community colleges, and five publishers—and hopefully that w

Bill C-11 committee  Potentially, yes. As Mr. Swail said, that's a niche market, it's a small market, and if you've got the return on investment from your legacy materials that allows you to invest in things like what I've just described Mr. Nordal's company doing, that's great. If you start losing,

Bill C-11 committee  Do I see a distinction in terms of their importance or a distinction—

Bill C-11 committee  There shouldn't be. That seems to be most inappropriate. I don't know why that would be the case. An example is some work that Mr. Nordal's company has just done on aboriginal business and books written for that community to help them grow skills in the business community.