Public Accounts committee  That's right.

Public Accounts committee  In terms of the budget what we lay out in the chapter is the fact that when many of these budgets were allocated cyber-security was considered to be part of a bigger security apparatus, early on. As has been discussed, the cyber-world is something that has evolved. Early on, it w

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Chair, I think I'll use the example of this chapter, where we identified that those action plans didn't exist at the time of our audit and because of that, we didn't have any way, really, to measure the progress that had been made in this area. I think that sums up the value

Public Accounts committee  In general, it would depend on the recommendations we made. If it's an action plan in response to one of our audits, we would expect the department or departments to which our recommendations were addressed to be the lead on producing an action plan. If they felt they needed to g

Public Accounts committee  I can't give an opinion on that. We haven't looked at the action plans in any detail.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. At the time of the audit, we noted that CCIRC's mandate was to operate 24-7. We noted it wasn't doing that at that time. Since then, we are aware that CCIRC's timeframe has been expanded. What's important for us is that there be some way that, around the c

Public Accounts committee  Thank you. Mr. Chair, thank you for inviting us to appear before the committee today to discuss our fall 2012 chapter on Protecting Canadian Infrastructure Against Cyber Threats. I am accompanied by Wendy Loschiuk, assistant auditor general, and Tedd Wood, a recently retired pr

Public Accounts committee  I think first of all, certainly, throughout this audit we acknowledged that many good things had occurred. There were pilot projects that were trying to streamline things and there was a lot of good progress made. In paragraph 23 we specifically said, though, that the assessment

Public Accounts committee  First of all, I need to explain that this exhibit is an exhibit that we prepared in the Office of the Auditor General, so this was not an exhibit of the government's overall process and accountability cycle. This was just us trying to explain the front end of what was happening:

Public Accounts committee  We don't have the breakdown, either, of the amount between grants and contributions. I don't think there's much more I can add.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you. Actually, what you've raised is something that we try to do internally when we make recommendations, that is, to challenge ourselves by asking, if you were on the receiving end of this recommendation, how would it be implemented? That is something we try to think abou

Public Accounts committee  Certainly, our observation was as we stated. We found that none of the organizations had assessed the administrative impact of reforms comprehensively. We didn't try to determine the reason for that. We were simply looking to see whether the organizations were doing that assessme

Public Accounts committee  That's correct.

Public Accounts committee  No.

Public Accounts committee  Your question to me was whether all of the organizations were using the same template, and I think at the time we did the audit we found that there were inconsistencies in how different organizations were assessing risks. So I think the direct answer to the question, as I underst