Transport committee  It's a reduction of 20% to 25%.

Transport committee  It's a relatively current price. It's within the last few weeks.

Transport committee  They're certainly trending lower.

Transport committee  Infrastructure would be my first response. There has not been an investment in infrastructure in North America—in Canada and the U.S., and in Mexico, to a degree—that would make it as easy to fill up at the corner station as you can now with your conventional gasoline-driven internal combustion engine.

Transport committee  That is a potential scenario, for sure, but it's to lessen that risk that we have focused on return-to-base vehicles and corridor vehicles. We're not, in the context of what we're doing now, looking at putting natural gas filling stations on every corner in the way gasoline filling stations exist today.

Transport committee  The simple answer is yes, but it's not just us; it's the consortium we work with. In the development of that technology, or at least the deployment road map on natural gas, there was a component of detailed business modelling done to assess, analyze, and rank potential end-use vehicle applications.

Transport committee  The early fleet investments are relatively small. There are long-haul truck investments. We have a company that has chosen to switch to natural gas. There are also cases in which an individual municipal garbage truck has been purchased, or more than one, so we're not talking about massive amounts of information yet, but I would support your call for a more sophisticated way of collecting that information.

Transport committee  Which we do not have operationally today, no.

Government Operations committee  Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman. I will also introduce my colleague, the director general of the Office of Energy Efficiency, Ms. Carol Buckley. Depending on exactly where the questions go and what you are interested in, Carol will certainly be able to add to anything I can provide the committee.

Government Operations committee  I'll ask my colleague to speak to that, because that is run through the Office of Energy Efficiency.

Government Operations committee  Perhaps I may add another component to that. As you know, Natural Resources Canada is a science-based organization, and much of this is a journey of discovery. But we are working very closely with FPInnovations, the world's largest institute on forestry research, to look at, as you brought up, the idea of the forest sector being able to not only utilize the waste materials left behind but to in fact generate additional revenues in the pulp mills themselves.

Government Operations committee  If I might add to John's response, I can give you another example as well. You may remember that NRCan was asked to move its materials technology laboratory from the Booth Street campus in a fairly old facility to a brand new one in Hamilton, on the campus of McMaster University in their Innovation Park.

Government Operations committee  My addition would essentially be the same. Our full building fleet budget is focused on achieving our targets. We have allocated a small budget to facilitate this low carbon initiative, but it would be unrealistic to propose that the savings are correlated to that small budget.

Government Operations committee  In our case, if I may respond quickly, we have diverted a copy of each and every energy bill from the buildings we are working on to a central repository, where we track exactly what we're spending on energy costs so we can correlate that against the work we're doing. We are tracking it, on the basis that you can't manage what you can't measure.

Government Operations committee  I may have misspoken. It was by 2020 as well. The 17% reduction by 2020 is our target.