Bill C-11 committee  I'd rather not get into ranking in importance the factors in CCH. I was really using it to make the point that so far, what the courts are going to do with this is very uncertain. Clearly the appeals court and the Copyright Board had a certain view of what copying would be about,

Bill C-11 committee  They do.

Bill C-11 committee  They do. My point is simply that they don't make market impact primary, but it is the primary consideration. If you're talking about a few pages here and there—

Bill C-11 committee  My sense is—Marian Hebb, you go ahead.

Bill C-11 committee  I'm retired.

Bill C-11 committee  In my last class, I was teaching creative writing, so I wasn't using that. When I was teaching the 18th century, it was Tillotson et al.

Bill C-11 committee  It cost a fortune. It was over $100 even then.

Bill C-11 committee  Was it a big fat Norton's?

Bill C-11 committee  The market would be number one, I think.

Bill C-11 committee  Yes, I entirely agree. What we're asking the committee to do is to attempt to make good Minister Moore's commitment to having clear laws and protection of investment. That's what we're asking for. Otherwise, you're robbing from those who can't afford to pay.

Bill C-11 committee  Are you describing what the educators want to do as piracy? Well, yes, because what they would like to do is have professionally produced Canadian materials available without paying anything for them.

Bill C-11 committee  I think that if the bill passes unamended, yes, absolutely, it will be at the cost of creators. I don't think it would take very much to.... As you all know, this is a tremendously complex matter, and the whole business of balancing interests is extremely difficult. I'm not the

Bill C-11 committee  I'm going to let Marian Hebb field this one.

Bill C-11 committee  I don't think that is enough, because it talks about six factors, and market impact is not the primary one. I think what the bill needs to do is what the backgrounder says it is going to do but doesn't, at this point; that is, it should take into consideration the legitimate inte

Bill C-11 committee  The system in place now, collective licensing, really covers what they're doing in the classroom. When educators want to be excused from copying a few pages here and there in the class, called fair dealing, the value of the licence goes down. They're already paying for that and t