Bill C-11 committee  Precisely.

Bill C-11 committee  But in our view, it is the most important factor. That's really what our amendment would propose.

Bill C-11 committee  I'll let Greg jump in as well, but I think the CCH case was a very specific case about a very specific kind of content with a very specific role that the publisher played in that instance. Our concern with CCH is that it does not make the primacy of the market first and foremost

Bill C-11 committee  They said that the commercial prospects for a work can be harmed, and it can still be concluded to be fair. That's what we feel—

Bill C-11 committee  In reality we decided that I would focus on that part of the market and Mr. Nordal would focus on the K to 12 sector, but there are significant differences from a digital perspective, which we can address if that's of interest.

Bill C-11 committee  I'm not quite sure I follow the logic.

Bill C-11 committee  True.

Bill C-11 committee  That's right.

Bill C-11 committee  That's true. Undoubtedly in certain categories we have bigger markets to serve in the lower levels of post-secondary and introductory years, for example, bigger markets, higher enrollments. That's where a lot of our money is made, and it allows us to publish in more niche areas a

Bill C-11 committee  That's right.

Bill C-11 committee  Our principal concern is that, as currently worded, the definition of education is too broad. Our principal concern is that it would allow a much broader interpretation of how our commercial product could be used in an educational setting, in a way that perhaps undermines our opp

Bill C-11 committee  It can be, yes, and we make that available to end-users as well.

Bill C-11 committee  We certainly do, and we've seen that already. We have a line of our business called Create, where higher education institutions can use a given textbook and excerpt specific parts of that product as they see fit for their particular purposes. They can do that digitally. They can

Bill C-11 committee  Thank you.

Bill C-11 committee  Absolutely.