National Defence committee  Yes.

National Defence committee  Absolutely.

National Defence committee  Yes. I think for a health service to be put into place, we have to have evidence on the spectrum of care.

National Defence committee  Do you mean changes in—

National Defence committee  Sure.

National Defence committee  You would be surprised. If you close the door—

National Defence committee  Petawawa is actually overmanned now. They have 4.8 psychiatrists for a population of about 6,000, and there probably isn't a community anywhere in the world that has that many psychiatrists for 6,000 people. There's not any civilian population, so we're doing very well there in

National Defence committee  I wouldn't be the person to speak to about that.

National Defence committee  There are many. A cortisol surge usually occurs.

National Defence committee  I would have no idea. It's not a pheromone. It's a central brain chemical. I don't know if dogs can smell cortisol.

National Defence committee  Yes. The psychologists themselves have moved to continue offering services in Petawawa. Unfortunately, I think it might have been our fault in the way we communicated it, but it was actually a good-news story. We were closing the satellite that was requiring soldiers to travel

National Defence committee  Do you mean for Petawawa specifically?

National Defence committee  I might have it in front of me. In terms of the way our systems are set up for crises, we have the psychosocial services, which wouldn't involve a psychiatrist but another mental health professional. That would occur in the same day—to see a professional, not necessarily a psyc

National Defence committee  I missed your numbers. How many below are you saying we are?

National Defence committee  That's not true.