Foreign Affairs committee  Was that the full list?

Foreign Affairs committee  I think you've left off Ukraine, which is a European country and a middle-income country.

Foreign Affairs committee  Indonesia.

Foreign Affairs committee  Okay, but that's a middle-income country. Colombia.

Foreign Affairs committee  Peru.

Foreign Affairs committee  Yes. In fact, as I said in response to Madame Laverdière's question, the majority are low-income countries.

Foreign Affairs committee  I am, insofar as I've been able to obtain information.

Foreign Affairs committee  Yes, I am.

Foreign Affairs committee  No, I think that's inaccurate. What you're doing is what I mentioned earlier: conflating different kinds of businesses. I'm especially in favour of things like microfinance and supporting start-ups of companies in developing countries. I'm less in support of public funds going

Foreign Affairs committee  Please let me finish my sentence.

Foreign Affairs committee  I'm less in support of public funds going to large, highly profitable Canadian multinationals to undertake activities that they themselves say they have no expertise in.

Foreign Affairs committee  That's why they say they need CIDA funds and need to work with the NGOs.

Foreign Affairs committee  Because they themselves don't have that expertise.

Foreign Affairs committee  As far as I know, CIDA is not giving money to—

Foreign Affairs committee  Okay. My understanding is that most of the money that goes towards microfinance is going through NGOs and non-profits like the Grameen Bank, not Citibank or CIBC.