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Government Operations committee The whole of the endeavour is criminal. The people who are smuggling people, even if they're—
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee Even if the people being smuggled are in some sense legitimate, the people smuggling them are rarely if anything but criminals. The proportion of economic refugees is probably the largest part of the flow. There are others involved in the flow who may be criminal or have other ch
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee Clearly the length of our border is a challenge if you're thinking in terms of smuggling across the border, but as I say, I think agencies have taken considerable steps to reduce that. The other reality for us is that to stop smuggling you really have to reach out into countrie
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee Mr. Chairman, there is an ongoing effort by border enforcement agencies to deal with people crossing the borders by walking over them or driving through border checkpoints, as has happened. That effort by the police, by enforcement on both sides of the border in fact, has borne c
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee Mr. Chairman, the problem of smuggling around the world is considerable. Canada is in some respects smaller than most other countries. If you visit some of the southeast Asian countries, the flows of people they have are in the hundreds of thousands and in some countries there ar
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee We have a total of about four officers, Mr. Chairman.
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee There are two of us, Mr. Chairman.
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee It varies between five and six. We go up and down occasionally, as we need an additional person for specific tasks.
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee We have a very small office. It varies between about five and six people. Virtually all of those people are in fact seconded from other departments and their salaries are absorbed by other departments. We have declined in the number of PCO dollars spent on salaries. We have one f
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Government Operations committee Mr. Chairman, in a sense it's a bit of a misnomer to say that it's an increase because the $1.1 million is the same budget we had previously, but it was expected earlier that this program would sunset, so there wouldn't be any expenditure in this year. In fact the program was con
April 1st, 2014Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Citizenship and Immigration committee Mr. Chairman, my total budget is about $12 million, so I can assure you I haven't given anybody $12 million. We've worked with a number of countries in terms of capacity-building in a variety of places to assist governments. Many governments in many countries have far less in ter
May 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Citizenship and Immigration committee I think we've actually been quite effective in stopping it. There haven't been any arrivals since the Sun Sea. It's probably unwise to claim that we are entirely responsible for that, but we have some say in that happening.
May 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Citizenship and Immigration committee The Australian situation unfortunately is very different from ours in the sense that the arrivals who are being smuggled into Australia by boat come in much smaller vessels from a much broader coastline. Indonesia is not very far away from northern Australia, and in particular, C
May 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Citizenship and Immigration committee No, Mr. Chairman, I didn't quite say that. I said—
May 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Ward Elcock
Citizenship and Immigration committee I've been in a number of countries working with countries to try to target the organizers of smuggling ventures—
May 7th, 2012Committee meeting
Ward Elcock