Transport committee  The list is pretty long. If you think about various types of shipments, they're all a bit different. Somebody has been talking about grain. You have to get the grain to an elevator and that usually happens via truck. Then the elevator has to get it to us and so you're also intera

Transport committee  No, that's correct. There are all kinds of issues that can come up there as well. Then, ultimately, it has to get into a vessel. For example, if it's at the port of Vancouver for export to Asia, something that we're heavily involved in, you have vessels to interact with as well.

Transport committee  It's called the pig that flew.

Transport committee  As a small-business person, I think it's well known that for small business, red tape is a burden to understand and to deal with. If anybody has been in a small business helping mentor lots of young kids trying to get into business, with all of those things there's a huge weight

Transport committee  I didn't like it for 30 years when I was going into it, but now that we're there and are part of the team, we can work on it. So if there's a patchwork and a question of whether or not it applies to you, in this case it's federally regulated, and there are provincially regulate

Transport committee  We're trying more and more, but for the railway association, the reality is that it went from ground zero 10 years ago, or a little longer than that now. Many provinces didn't have any regulations at all relating to rail, so when it came to provincially regulated lines, they said

Transport committee  There are a number of services we can give. We can take a train and break it apart and go to 10 customers. For example, in central Manitoba we handle 12,000 cars a year with about 15 customers. It's not a service at CN or CP in particular. There are short moves of small blocks of

Transport committee  They put $50 million in the road. It's provincial tax money.

Transport committee  I think they would.

Transport committee  There are two problems. One, we're provincially regulated—Cando is. So ours wouldn't be affected. So, on the one hand, we could say we're not part of it. You guys promised something to your customer. Well, that's still not going to do anything for anybody if we're in the middle o

Transport committee  Their number one role is probably safety more than anything else. So their role in the commercialization of this is with the commercial agreements that Mike talks about and stuff like that, where we try to get into the loop with our shippers and that—what's signed, what's not—and

Transport committee  I'll just add a real quick one. I came in from Winnipeg yesterday, in a two-hour drive. We don't have an airport, either, so we have to drive for two hours. That's not fair compared to the guys in Winnipeg, but that's life. So I'm captive with no airport, either.

Transport committee  Oh, we have a highway, but in a blizzard and that, and the conditions to do it, how good is that compared to the railroad? We're all captive, to a certain degree, in the rural part of Canada to certain things. These plants are put there because it's economical. The raw material

Transport committee  Part of it is that we are now. The question is whether we're part of it in the future. We're going to have to be, because we could be liable. What's our part in this? We take a train, we break it apart, and we give it to five shippers. CN and CP have admitted that on those type

Transport committee  One of the clear examples of that could be weights, loaded cars. We have all the light-density lines. Some of our lines don't have heavy rail on them. If somebody imposed on us that we had to take the heavy cars, we'd be out of business—just like that.