Transport committee  That's us.

Transport committee  It's more than just the short lines. I mean, we have 14 industrial clients and we work in their plants—potash mines, automotive plants, oil refineries. We have lots of people in a lot of those plants. That's what we're doing today. We're a liaison between the widget builder, the

Transport committee  I have just a short comment. I think for some of that, that's where the short lines come into play. I know, for example, at CP, we handle their intermodal yard in Toronto. I'm the one who said that for CN and CP, it's the same thing. For the long and heavy, they do very well, but

Transport committee  Sometimes we run on their lines. We have to go out on their—

Transport committee  CN's or CP's—for a mile or two to help service or to get cars or do whatever, and we've been able to negotiate terms for how we do that. Once again, lots of times industry is paying us—CN and CP are not paying us—to help improve their transportation systems.

Transport committee  There's one comment I'd make. We've run an industrial switching operation in St. Thomas, Ontario, for Formet—Magna International—since 1996. We're handling up to 5,000 car frames a day. We load them and hand them off to either CN or CP. Of course, we were very concerned when we

Transport committee  But they're in it, the contracting system.

Transport committee  Yes. They're in it.

Transport committee  Yes, we would have to go to court if there were a dispute, because we wouldn't know how big the problem was or whatever it was.

Transport committee  If there were a dispute, I don't know how you could put a number on it. It might be $1,000 or it might be $1 million. How are you going to know?

Transport committee  Thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen. Good afternoon. My name is Gord Peters. I am the president and co-founder of Cando. For the past five years, I've also had the pleasure of sitting on the RAC board, a position that has given me a great seat to view the great improvemen