Public Safety committee  I have nothing to add.

Public Safety committee  I think the scope of the power you're looking at would be very different. If you only implement random breath testing, I think there are still serious questions about whether that's actually going to have any impact in the absence of all the other measures that we're looking at.

Public Safety committee  —or every sixth driver, so that we really do eliminate many of the profiling concerns that we've raised in our bill. That would be quite a different proposal, and I think my analysis might well be different.

Public Safety committee  I agree. It's the likelihood of detection and the swiftness of the punishment. That is what the literature suggests. An increased enforcement would allow for both of those to occur, especially if swift punishment happens under provincial driving suspensions as opposed to a length

Public Safety committee  I think all of the studies I've read say that enforcement is critical. There are interesting cost analyses, which I am not an expert in, that try to look at the benefits in terms of the health care costs versus the dollars spent on the enforcement costs, but you'd have to talk to

Public Safety committee  We've tried to actually do that in the Ontario context with street checks. I do not think it's possible.

Public Safety committee  I can go through some of the other measures the other jurisdictions had in place when they moved from selective breath testing to random breath testing. New Zealand, for example, when it implemented random breath testing in 1993, increased their enforcement, so that they had 1.5

Public Safety committee  Can I just jump in? I don't know how you regulate true randomness into a power that doesn't only exist at the RIDE stop.

Public Safety committee  I'll briefly agree. Random is not an appropriate word in this context when there are people making choices about who to stop and who not to stop. People are not random. They have thought processes that are sometimes legitimate and sometimes biased, and sometimes unconsciously so.

Public Safety committee  Absolutely. You're right, section 1 is where it's at, and for section 8 it's the reasonableness. For a rational connection, it is about whether random breath testing will deter impaired drivers more than what it already does.

Public Safety committee  I think we have a lack of evidence. There are anecdotes from other countries, but I raised some reasons why those other countries are not great comparators for where Canada is right now. There are some meta studies that have come out and said that there appears to be no differenc

Public Safety committee  My last sentence is to thank you very much for your time today. I look forward to your questions and further discussion.

Public Safety committee  I have been nominated. I'll go first.

Public Safety committee  Thank you very much for the opportunity to appear before you today. I am Abby Deshman. I'm a lawyer and program director with the Canadian Civil Liberties Association. Like the BCCLA, we fully support the goal of this bill. We know that impaired driving is a serious concern in