Industry committee  Sure. That's the issue you're going to hear about from Randall in the next panel. It's the SIM swap. At the moment, the CRTC has exchanged letters with the wireless association saying to please tell them what they're doing on SIM swap because other countries, for example, Austra

Industry committee  Thank you, Madam Chair, and honourable members. My name is John Lawford, and I am executive director and general counsel at the Public Interest Advocacy Centre here in Ottawa. PIAC is a federally incorporated non-profit and a registered charity that provides legal and research

Industry committee  The evidence that we have isn't conclusive that we're in this top category of infringers and that Canadians are using this to the extent it's being alleged, either in the reports or by the coalition, whichever coalition it is. That's the first thing for the committee to consider.

Industry committee  Sure. My information is coming from our submission in the FairPlay before CRTC. We went through the MUSO study and found certain assumptions in there. The MUSO study is based on site visits and that may not reflect actual downloading. There are many site visits, but you may not b

Industry committee  Right.

Industry committee  Sure. I recall it was in the written brief in either June or July.

Industry committee  The idea is that you get, as a copyright owner, first chance to make money from your Canadian content, by running it on CTV or whatever, but because it's Canadian content and because it's funded by the Canada Media Fund, which is really a proxy for taxing Canadians to produce Can

Industry committee  Thank you for the question.

Industry committee  Right. You could do what you're suggesting in the Federal Court. You could have a site-blocking order. I think the reason it was brought into CRTC was that there was this idea that if they did it in CRTC, the CRTC could issue an order to block all ISPs, whether that ISP came and

Industry committee  I don't know exactly how long it takes to get a blocking order. I've seen that there are a couple of cases where Bell Canada has gotten them in Canada. I believe one of the witnesses came and said it took two years in one case. I think that would be on the long end.

Industry committee  Sure. The theory is that if content on the traditional platforms is priced at a fairly high level because the companies are vertically integrated and there's not much competition, Canadians are just frankly fed up with paying so much. That makes it more tempting to cut some of yo

Industry committee  Yes, I think that's fair.

Industry committee  Absolutely, and it is probably easiest for me to submit to the committee afterwards.

Industry committee  I think if you're a reasonable consumer, you could come to that reasonable conclusion, yes.

Industry committee  I'd echo David's concerns that perhaps this committee could even get quite creative and say there should be a cost regime such as we have in the CRTC and the Ontario Energy Board, to allow public interest intervenors to participate in major policy proceedings. That's all I want