Health committee  Thank you. I think we all need to be able to do that more effectively. There certainly is some good work being done. I wanted to come back to the fact that we certainly support all the initiatives that are being done to make the health care delivery system more effective in using technology and innovation, but we have to look at the demand side.

Health committee  Two minutes left. Okay. On primary health care transformation, Dr. John Millar appeared before this committee earlier in the year on behalf of one of our members, and talked about the things that need to be done. There are some good examples of programs, whether from Norway or elsewhere.

Health committee  As you are, we're certainly concerned about the sustainability of our health care system. We all have to think about how we're going to do things differently to slow the increasing costs of the health care system as well as the rising rates of chronic disease. We are also concerned about the quality of care and the patient experience.