Justice committee  The amount I have just told you about is connected with legal aid in criminal matters. Legal aid for civil matters is included in the Canada Social Transfer. So the provinces are responsible for allocating funds for that.

Justice committee  Since 2011, no.

Justice committee  In the entire justice system, absolutely. In some areas, there has indeed been an increase in demand.

Justice committee  In additional to that amount, funds in the department have been set aside for a study on innovation in legal aid and to gather expert advice. That report has just been completed and it is now public. The provinces are great innovators in legal aid programs. In our federation, t

Justice committee  It is already posted on our site. We can send you the link. It is impressive to see just how much innovation has happened in the justice system, but it is difficult to share, to invest, to learn lessons and to increase the value received for the money invested. As you know, the

Justice committee  No, it is not included. Family assistance is more to do with programs that help families; it is not about paying for lawyers.

Justice committee  The demand has certainly not gone down.

Justice committee  Sometimes, some aspects of the program that are about to expire are renewed. Perhaps that is what is happening here. I do not know. Perhaps we can compare the figures.

Justice committee  We will find it, Mr. Chair.

Justice committee  Could we take that under advisement, Mr. Chair? We certainly are aware of the transfers back and forth here of resources from grants to contributions and contributions to grants. We will look at the $500,000 discrepancy and we will provide you with an answer.

Justice committee  We will convey that on.

Justice committee  No. In respect of those, we can confirm that neither of them are new programs. They are transfers within the vote in that sense.

Justice committee  That's right. This is legal support to comprehensive claims and self-government negotiations.

Justice committee  That's bodies, primarily.

Justice committee  Well, bodies, operating, travel, but—