Government Operations committee  It was our conclusion that this opened up the possibility that ships could be produced in a more timely manner and that some of the flow of work would be smoother, and that it had the potential to be positive. That's recognizing that this was projecting forward into the future, a

Government Operations committee  We tabled a report on what was then called the national shipbuilding procurement strategy in 2013. That was shortly after the selection of the shipyards had been made to commence the strategy, but before any actual ship contracts had been let.

Government Operations committee  Thank you, Mr. Chair. We'd distinguish two things in what my colleague was saying. One is that our 2013 report was speaking about the selection of the shipyards to be strategic partners, which we judged to be following a good process. In the most recent audit, we did speak to

Government Operations committee  No, we haven't looked at what other countries may have done by way of special recruiting strategies.

Government Operations committee  The last work we did on this in any depth was our 2016 audit of recruitment, and we raised a number of issues then about whether the recruiting personnel were providing the fulsome exposure to the different options available, and also whether some of the issues around training ti

Government Operations committee  No, we didn't. We do talk in the report about the availability of capacity in the federal government as a risk in managing some acquisition programs such as that one, but we didn't explore the question of the potential sources of that expertise.

Government Operations committee  I would point out that it depends on how many losses are incurred in the interim. We do not know that right now. Those two figures need to be correlated.

Government Operations committee  This is not just an Air Force issue. From that perspective, it is more of a challenge for the military in general, whether they have enough personnel to run various programs and take care of equipment. As I said, certainly, based on the public performance report, there is cause

Government Operations committee  I would add that in this year's annual performance report for the Department of National Defence, you can see that they are short-staffed in half of the military roles. It doesn't identify which roles, but pilot is likely one of them. We still don't have enough pilots.

Government Operations committee  The report in 2012 didn't look at the question of personnel, so the issue that was raised in 2018 wasn't examined in that report. That report was really about some of the questions around the transparency and the process for acquiring the new aircraft. At that time, there were so

Government Operations committee  Thank you. The issue is a potential increase in demand for Air Force fighters and possibly having to provide fighters for NORAD and NATO at the same time. The context could depend very much on the circumstances.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. The only thing I would add is that shipbuilding is quite different from other types of procurement, so we need to be cautious in running those kinds of comparisons of time frames across different types of equipment, if I can put it that way.

Public Accounts committee  Thank you, Madam Chair. I'm not in a position to compare to others, but I think the issue here is that we felt there was an opportunity, certainly as we get into future projects, to look at ways of ensuring the government was using or had sufficient levers and was using those le

Public Accounts committee  We did speak to the shipyards, but I don't think I should speak for them in this regard. Our audit was on the work done by the federal government, or the federal government's management of the strategy.

Public Accounts committee  We were trying to understand where the management from the government side could be strengthened so that, in working with the shipyards, it would be as well placed as it could be. We point out, in the report, obviously, that the shipyards have had their challenges; we mentioned w