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Status of Women committee  No. When she was going through the four or five points I think that plan sounded exactly like what I would prescribe.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  It has been exclusively in the United States.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  No, I haven't been called on to do that.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  Yes, we are.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  Yes, I think so. Also, for some people, they don't want to have to discuss what happened. It's awkward. It's embarrassing. There's a component to it sometimes where the person feels shame or guilt. It's something that people are uncomfortable talking about. If you're the victim or the target of the harassment, it might be easier to try to cope with it by talking to your friends or ignoring it, because that way it's not as awkward for you as having to discuss it.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  It was more theoretical when I was talking about it. I haven't thought about the practicality of it. In fact, I think it probably would be difficult to do. I was thinking of something like.... I guess when you talked about the Human Rights Commission, it's probably similar to the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission that we have in the United States.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  It may be, but I'm honestly not aware of what companies' policies are, for the most part.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  Okay. That was a lot. I think the most important thing is having some kind of discipline in place. By discipline I mean disciplinary action taken against the harassers as you mentioned, whether it's a verbal warning or a termination. Once they have been trained, there's really no excuse.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  To me, in my eyes, yes, because without those steps.... If you're trying to change a culture, it's not an easy thing to do. You mention that you need to have the managers and the people at the top on board. That's definitely true. But you need to have ways to reach the people who aren't at the top.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  If the union is supporting the harasser, though, that's a really bad situation. I think you'll have your work cut out negotiating. I don't know. Probably things have to occur through negotiation, if it's like how you deal with unions in the United States.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  In terms of additional steps, I honestly think you're doing everything that should be done. The only thing I can think of is finding some way for the reporting to be external to the organization, so that no politics are involved and it would be objective. I don't know if that's possible.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  For some reason I'm not understanding the intent of the question.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  It's really the way that a person who's a witness frames the incident that they witnessed if they think it has an ethical dimension to it. That's a dimension where it's labelled as wrong in a moral sense rather than just wrong because there's a policy against it. If they have a belief that the behaviour is harmful, that it's not a proper behaviour, or that it's a behaviour that causes harm to the other person, that is usually how they define it when talking about ethics.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry

Status of Women committee  I don't know if this would be possible. Theoretically, if there was a different body investigating the complaints rather than the people who are within the organization, maybe some external force might be taken more seriously because they don't have those personal connections to the people who are doing the harassing.

May 28th, 2013Committee meeting

Dr. Lynn Bowes-Sperry