Transport committee  I don't know if that's true or not, sir. I'm not aware if it's true. I have read it, but I don't know if it's true or not.

Transport committee  I would argue that you're right, sir. We're using the tools. We're way more sophisticated in identifying issues and fixing them today. The flight data management system for us is incredible. We can identify things that are going to happen if we don't fix it. Without even report

Transport committee  Yes, we have gone through the Transport Canada process of taking all the stakeholders, putting them into a room for several years, talking about what needs to be done, looking at the science of fatigue. That's very important, the science of fatigue. All the stakeholders got toget

Transport committee  I'm not aware of those.

Transport committee  I'd respond that safety has improved since we've implemented SMS and that we've gone away from the traditional cultural model we used to have of inspections, enforcement, and punishment. We have improved greatly in our safety since we've gone away from the model. And so I don't t

Transport committee  —inspections alone are going to improve safety. I've said to you, sir, that we have as much experience as and do way more inspections of our own carrier than Transport Canada ever will. We do them on a daily basis.

Transport committee  Yes.

Transport committee  I don't know anything about their structure or their governance. I don't know what their mandates are. I know they're the union that represents the pilots.

Transport committee  Absolutely. Some of those are peers, people I went to school with, people I flew with in the air force. Absolutely.

Transport committee  Yes.

Transport committee  That's a fact that he keeps track of, I—

Transport committee  No, I'm not. Is that all you want me to say, sir?

Transport committee  Yes.

Transport committee  I do not want to imply in any way, shape, or form that we don't have a good relationship with Transport Canada or that they're not doing what I think is their job on a day-to-day basis. I'm trying to point out, however, that there are some improvements we can make to the SMS sy

Transport committee  There are always two pilots. They're in the simulator every eight months. There are all kinds of monitoring and feedback systems other than the safety system when it comes to an individual pilot. What we're most concerned about are trends among all of the pilots.