Transport committee  We have gatekeepers, honest brokers who look at things and say, uh-oh, I need to tell somebody, without specifics, that they need to look into something. I gave the air force example. There is a duty, an obligation as well, and it's part of our ethical makeup to do that.

Transport committee  I would argue that, yes, they absolutely would.

Transport committee  I wouldn't go so far—and I know, sir, that you don't mean to be that casual about it—as that. I don't think anybody does that. I'm saying that ICAO says that the state is supposed to set specific safety standards or guidelines to meet. All I'm saying is that here it's left to

Transport committee  I was shocked when I read that number. Speaking quite frankly, like I should be doing here, I think—

Transport committee  I was very shocked and it's unbelievable. I can't believe it. I'm not sure of the source. I would love to be able to dig deeper, because we see everything getting better and safer in the world that we fly in. Airplanes are safer. They're built stronger. The monitoring systems are

Transport committee  You've hit the nail on the head, sir. That's exactly it. We're not trying to prevent anything from being publicly accessed. We want to enhance safety. And what is the best way to enhance safety? It's a safety culture. It's open reporting and a good system that identifies the saf

Transport committee  No, I was using it as an example of how another jurisdiction in the world has no protections in flight data management and flight data analysis, so they look at the computer at the end of the day and they say, “Oh, you landed too far down the runway, therefore we're going to fine

Transport committee  No, not here, sir. But I'm saying we want protections.... What if somebody wants to do that?

Transport committee  If I could add really quickly—

Transport committee  And there's nothing to protect the employer from using it for other purposes unless we have a good agreement, as Ed just explained that we have with our employer. Otherwise it can be used for any purpose.

Transport committee  Absolutely. There's no way we should be hiding behind flight safety if a deliberate, intentional, or criminally negligent action is taking place. Never. What used to happen in the air force is that we'd have a flight safety stream, and the flight safety person doing the inspectio

Transport committee  I would argue that, first of all, nobody's trying to hide anything. That's not what it's about. It's about protecting confidentiality and making sure there's free and open reporting. If for some reason a department of government, whether it's occupational health and safety folks

Transport committee  Again, it's essential, and I want to emphasize the flight data analysis and flight data monitoring. That information is hugely valuable for safety and for commercial reasons, but there are no protections whatsoever for that data. In other jurisdictions in other parts of the world

Transport committee  As a pilot, we just make sure that we have documentation that tells us how these things should be packaged, protected, how many, what—

Transport committee  Nothing changes. As long as it's packaged properly and it's in the airplane properly, if we have any kind of incident, we just make sure that the fire marshals are aware that they're on board. Otherwise, it makes no difference to our job.