Finance committee  Now, you've asked me two questions. One has to do with children, and the other has to do with pensioners.

Finance committee  Well, my presentation this morning is part of that. It says, “Look. We do want fair pensions for all, and it's extremely unfair at the moment”. So you have to fix the ones—

Finance committee  We're trying to help the people who don't have pensions, basically the 10.5 million Canadians who don't have pensions at all.

Finance committee  What we want is to solve the unfairness. If you think you can solve it by making the kind of public sector pensions that are available to public sector workers available to all workers, and have that come out of all taxpayer funds, that's fine.

Finance committee  You're very right. We will hear some say that it's not a matter that they have contracts that are too rich in the public sector; it's that they're not good enough in the private sector. But go and tell your boss, if you're in the private sector, that you want a better deal. You

Finance committee  If you do those proposals that they're suggesting, you're going to cause the owner of those small little units of business to pay double the increase of everybody else, because they're thought to be both an employer and an employee. Then they'll pay half of whatever the increase

Finance committee  I would disagree with that last statement. After all, if a particular crown corporation needs to have an injection of $99 million, or if somebody else needs $1 billion too, where is that money going to come from? It's going to come from all taxpayers, including the huge group tha

Finance committee  No, it's not. As far as representing, it may be better to say representing workers in the private sector, which are about 14 million, and a little bit more this year.

Finance committee  No, no. We have perhaps 800.

Finance committee  Yes.

Finance committee  We formed the organization about eight months ago as a non-profit and we're slowly gathering momentum. There's lots of interest in what we're doing, particularly as people find out the disparity between the public and private sector.

Finance committee  No, no conventions and no resolutions.

Finance committee  Thank you, Mr. Chairman, good morning. Good morning, members of the committee, federal panellists, ladies and gentlemen. I'm Tom Charette with Fair Pensions for All. We support the clause 229 amendment to the act. The federal government needs to exert more control over the co