Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm not overly familiar with the IPSA system.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I think they are both problematic. If their approach is to go in camera first by default, using basically the same set of rules, then I'm not sure it matters who's behind those doors. The point is that the public is not welcome.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That makes sense. That sounds like what Mr. Walsh was suggesting to the committee: having two subcommittees, I believe it was for finance and for administration. They could then deliberate outside of those doors and come back.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  That makes sense to me. If you have conversations that are going to be in camera anyway at the subcommittee level, then let it happen. Then to bring those to a public forum, or rather a publicly accessible committee, makes total sense.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  As my personal opinion, I'm not sure there's a public outcry right now about how politicians set their salaries. Every time a legislative chamber increases salaries, of course, it is a news story for a few days, but I'm not sure there's any public movement to change that system.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I think it makes total sense to do that. Of course, as I've said, the more detailed the better. The more the public understands exactly how its money is being spent, the better the understanding and the better it is for Parliament.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Sure.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I'm not sure I can comment on behalf of the CAJ about the direction of pay and subsidies.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Sure.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I don't think anybody should wait to do that.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Our concern is less with the composition of the board and more with the way the board deliberates—whether it's in private or in public.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Real time would be unbelievable. I suspect that would be quite a change to implement. Having said that, I don't think it's any journalist's expectation.... I'm inadvertently speaking on behalf of a lot of people I haven't spoken to specifically about this, but I would suspect t

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Well, if the picture you're painting leads to a meeting that the public can attend, then I like at least that part of the picture. I'll just make one point of clarification on the composition of the board and my not having a preference, really, on who fills it. I just mean that

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I get it. No one has said it wrong, it's amazing. You got it right, yes.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Sure.