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Public Accounts committee Let me not address the last point. On the first point, again, as I said to Madam Sinclair-Desgagné, the objective was to provide reconnaissance and to recognize former prime minister Trudeau, le père. If you're going to be the Pierre Elliott Trudeau Foundation and if why you're d
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee There were all kinds of ideas. It was a very long time ago. I only remember a couple. My objective as secretary to cabinet and Clerk of the Privy Council was to not allow them to dream up ideas at the table at the moment, but rather to have what I characterized as a structured a
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee I just mean the decision-making process.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee I would. I find it passing strange. If I had a million dollars to spend on influence, giving $800,000 to the Université de Montréal and $200,000 or $140,000 or whatever it is to the Trudeau Foundation would be so indirect to make it ineffective. There are, as we know—
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee Okay. There you go.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee I do not think there was a request from the family. It was a government decision.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee It was Mr. Roy Heenan, the first chair of the board of directors, who was involved in the process. I imagine he created that kind of governance.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee I appointed Roy Heenan, the founding lawyer for Heenan Blaikie. He was the first chair of the foundation's board of directors.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee I knew Mr. Heenan at the time, but I do not know whether he made any requests to the government.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee No. It was Prime Minister Chrétien who started the process of paying tribute to Mr. Trudeau.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee I have no knowledge of what they did. I have to say that when I was the CEO of the Institute for Research on Public Policy or the chair of the board of directors of Canadian Blood Services, we had obligations under the Canada Not-for-profit Corporations Act, and we met those obli
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee If that is true, I am surprised.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee That's a tough one. Again, I haven't been involved in the foundation since 2018. Given the controversy that is going on now.... I think the foundation is a worthwhile organization. It's doing very good work. I hope it gets over this controversy in a way that allows it to restor
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee When it was created, Mr. Rock, as the responsible minister, characterized it as analogous to the Canadian Rhodes scholarship. I don't think it has gotten to that level yet, but on the other hand, it is a big whack of money. It allows the Ph.D. students to do research that they wo
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe
Public Accounts committee Very much so.
June 15th, 2023Committee meeting
Prof. Mel Cappe