Public Accounts committee  That's correct.

Public Accounts committee  In the vast majority of situations, it's the provinces that deliver the funding. They tend to rely on their AgriInsurance, their production insurance staff, to make those payments.

Public Accounts committee  We have no data. We have no indication that any such situation exists.

Public Accounts committee  That's Tina and I. As the OAG indicated, there's not a formal reporting system and we have now fixed that with that recommendation number 3, I believe it was. We had taken those steps to do so. On the earlier point, when we do those assessments, the individuals involved in those assessments make sure that the other programs are coming to bear as well.

Public Accounts committee  The 45 days was set very early on when we were looking at the framework with the provinces. It was naive. The first error we made was exactly the point that was made earlier: the request doesn't come in when we know the situation, which is basically what we were assuming when we set the 45 days.

Public Accounts committee  There's no formal criteria when a request for an assessment comes in. It's generally as you say: you end up with a negative situation someplace out there; there's some sense that it's worthy of an assessment; the request comes in; and we then launch into a formal assessment of the situation.

Public Accounts committee  No, I do not know. I would suggest it was very few.

Public Accounts committee  Concerning the apple trees, you recognize that we did not do an agri-recovery initiative.

Public Accounts committee  That was a production problem. We have production insurance called AgriInsurance.

Public Accounts committee  We're constantly in contact with our—

Public Accounts committee  We generally look to the province to make the call.

Public Accounts committee  Yes. I'll go with that analogy.

Public Accounts committee  That's our formal performance measurement framework. Obviously we have many interactions with producer organizations, particularly when we went into consultations for Growing Forward 2. When we were doing that process, we heard a lot of support for AgriRecovery and for the fact that it is attempting to put some consistency and some predictability to when governments come in to respond to disaster situations.

Public Accounts committee  There are a couple of points. First off, I think we need to understand that the nine months isn't when the first payment goes out. That's when 75% of the payments were made. The other point I should make is that AgriRecovery is not our first line of defence; in fact, it's our last line of defence.

Public Accounts committee  Sure. Three categories have been already cast there. I would say we've had success in each one of those situations. The two that come to mind are the initiatives with respect to the 2010 and 2011 flooding situations that we had in western Canada, when we had an unprecedented inundation of water in those provinces.