Transport committee  With regard to how the system works, your SMS program is approved by Transport Canada. I come to you and say that this is my plan; this is how I'm going to deal with the paperwork, basically. Every 18 months to 36 months, they'll come back and do a PVI, a performance validation

Transport committee  Every day the tires are kicked.

Transport committee  No—

Transport committee  Well, what do you mean by “kicking the tires”?

Transport committee  I think we have to ask ourselves, was that method of doing business more effective than the way it is now?

Transport committee  I had a Transport Canada inspector in my jump seat, doing a check on me; they just showed up impromptu.

Transport committee  That's kicking the tires. That was a year and a half ago, so....

Transport committee  The national audit—

Transport committee  We don't have access to that information—

Transport committee  No. There have been two SMS audits, one in 2009 and I believe they completed one last year.

Transport committee  No. We don't have access to that information.

Transport committee  You're mistaking it for two different things. If you submit an air safety report at Air Canada you will not be disciplined. I've been the chair and the vice-chair for the last six years. I'm usually the guy who calls you first when something happens in the middle of the night. I

Transport committee  I wasn't privy to what happened in that incident, so I can't—