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Information & Ethics committee  Clearview stopped offering its services in Canada in 2020, I believe, while we were still investigating, but it is in court challenging the decisions of my colleagues, I believe because they do not want to give an undertaking in perpetuity that they will not offer their services.

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  I'll give a lawyerly answer, which I think will be clear. The provision at play is the provision of the Privacy Act that governs the collection of information, in this case by the RCMP. What the RCMP is saying is that this section, section 4 of the Privacy Act, does not explici

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  Thank you for that. While the RCMP disagreed with our conclusion at law that the RCMP itself was breaching the public sector law by relying on Clearview, they did co-operate significantly with us in recognizing that they should have a better verification system when they use ne

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  They have not yet, and they are unlikely to meet the 12-month deadline, but we are making good progress, and I see a genuine effort on their part. It is a relatively complex issue, but we obviously would like to see this implemented as soon as possible.

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  This language refers back to the absence, at that time, of any system at the RCMP to ensure that when new technology is used by its officers, there is a verification and approval process within the RCMP to ensure that the technology respects the law, including privacy rights. T

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  On a number of occasions, you were told about a moratorium, whether desirable or otherwise, that was going to be applied until an enhanced act was adopted. It's clear to me that a moratorium applicable to police services should be provided for in a law. However, I found it intere

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  I'm going to return to what I heard last week. The RCMP says that it is not doing mass surveillance. I have no reason to doubt this. The RCMP could demonstrate that it is using facial recognition for compelling reasons by committing to using it only for such purposes. I noted las

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  When surveillance is carried out by police services or private companies, they collect information about people's activities or characteristics in order to make certain decisions about them. The question is whether it's done with people's consent or in accordance with legislatio

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  I think the common factor that applies horizontally to all stakeholders who would like to use facial recognition is the principle of necessity and proportionality that my two colleagues mentioned. That applies to all stakeholders: police services, businesses and other departments

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  Sure. When we issued our investigative report on the RCMP's use of Clearview last June in a special report to Parliament, we started at the same time a consultation with stakeholders who were interested in speaking to draft guidance that we had published at the same time. That l

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  I would start first with where there was agreement beyond the need for the law to be changed. Many people felt that the guidance was drafted or crafted at a level of generality such that the advice is helpful, but they would like it at the very least to be supplemented by advice

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien

Information & Ethics committee  Good morning, Mr. Chair. Thank you for inviting me here today and for undertaking this important work on facial recognition. Like all technologies, FRT can, if used responsibly, offer significant benefits to society. However, it can also be extremely intrusive, enable widesprea

May 2nd, 2022Committee meeting

Daniel Therrien