Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes. In that particular ruling that's what the Speaker referred to.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's not really for me to say.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Again, Mr. Graham, the House saw fit to send this matter to the committee, and the House has asked the committee to look at it, so the committee is seized with it. That's all I can say.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  The precedents we look at are those in which the Speaker has had to make a ruling.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Again, Mr. Chairman, are we covering both cases here today or just the one? Are we going to be invited again?

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Again, as part of the documentation that the committee received earlier in its study, a number of avenues are outlined that are available to the committee, ranging from deciding not to proceed, finding that there has not been a contempt or a breach of privilege, all the way to th

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Essentially Mr. Chairman and Mr. Richards, the process the committee will follow in both cases is the same or likely to be the same. In other words, you gather information, you assess that information, and you make a recommendation based on what you find. It's not very different

Procedure and House Affairs committee  The committee has before it a number of items, I presume, on its agenda. It's dealing with a number of priorities, and it's entirely up to the committee how it wants to proceed. It's not for us to say what the committee should or shouldn't do.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It's really up to the committee, based on whatever evidence it gathers, to come to a conclusion one way or another. That's really what it comes down to. You could call witnesses. You could invite various people who might have information about how this information got out and so

Procedure and House Affairs committee  Yes, but it's not only that. Every parliament has its own practices and usages, and they differ considerably on matters like this. Again, a direct comparison would be difficult, I would say. I can look at what we can find but I'm not hopeful, let's say.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  I understand your difficulty. At the same time we really need to say at the outset that it is not for us to make that determination for the committee.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It may be. We could look at that, but I'm rather dubious that this would be the case.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  If I could, I will start by referring you, Mr. Chan, and other members, to the document that was circulated some time ago by the committee staff, which highlights four different cases. What I would say as well, before I get into it, is that each case is always a little different

Procedure and House Affairs committee  We would have to get back to you on that. I don't have the answer.

Procedure and House Affairs committee  It was 70.