Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  Remember that we are the organization that is mandated to fund the research, so what I can do is cite to you projects that have worked more on that end of the equation, or more on that end of the innovation cycle. For example my colleague David Wolfe at the University of Toronto,

Industry committee  Yes, absolutely. That's on a more macro scale. We also have a colleague—and I'm sorry, his name escapes me today—at l'Université Laval who's doing work on security and sensors, on how sensors are able to identify security threats in public places. The work that he does is within

Industry committee  Mr. Chair, I assume we'll work through you to provide this information.

Industry committee  Based upon our estimates, about $100 million over the four years. We were suggesting that we would ramp up with $25 million in the first year, and then work towards a $100-million increase overall.

Industry committee  I think that's about 7% for this year.

Industry committee  I think the total would be maybe a little bit more than 25.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  It includes both cash and in-kind contributions.

Industry committee  I would like to check, but I would suggest it's probably about 70:30 in-kind contributions and 30% cash.

Industry committee  That would include in the case of, say, a private sector partner, the contribution of individuals who would be assigned to a project and work on behalf of a project by that company or community organization. We consider that a valid contribution. I don't want to be unclear about

Industry committee  Do you mean the actual evaluation?

Industry committee  I would have to see what form that took, at that point. There would be some internal documents, so I will go back and see what we did, in terms of the box-ticking exercise.

Industry committee  Absolutely. Very closely. No. They operate on a slightly different basis. They report through industry, through Innovation, Science and Economic Development Canada, ISED, that's true. But in fact, as agencies we were established by the Parliament of Canada. We are formally agenci

Industry committee  Yes. We're limited in our funding. We have funds that are about one-third of the other agencies for research and for training, so the more we focus, the less we have for open research. It's pretty much that simple.