Industry committee  That's correct.

Industry committee  By the way, to get an engineer in Silicon Valley right now the price is three times that it is in Ontario or the rest of Canada, and the cost of living is four times as high there. We have some competitive advantages here. I think we not only just have to be our Canadian selves—

Industry committee  Yes, but let's take advantage of where we do that. We do it far more in Canada than we do in other countries, frankly, for some of the ratios that were being applied here. I was trying to get it to $100 per employee, Madam Dubé. We're at some $35,000 per employee on our R and D

Industry committee  Okay, I'd be happy to. We were talking earlier about some history about our company. When I started, even in my time in the company we were the best typewriter manufacturer in the country. Some people would remember the Selectric, but our new employees wonder what that thing is

Industry committee  We've disrupted ourselves so many times forward and yet our employment rate is the highest it's ever been. I'd say that one of the things we need to say, and it was expressed by many of the speakers here, is we have to move to the future and skills are necessary to do that. It's

Industry committee  Mr. Chair, it looks as if the IBM person here is going to be the lowest tech person on the panel, but there you go. I'll try to make this succinct so I can get within the timeframe. Thank you very much, Mr. Chairman, and members of the committee, for this opportunity. As you k