Public Safety committee  Right. I'm just saying that's an element. I wanted to ask, on page 4 of your report you say that, in addressing costs, you undertook a preliminary scope analysis. Would you be able to provide us with that preliminary scope analysis in writing?

Public Safety committee  Can you give that to us? The document you mentioned, can you submit it to us, please, in writing?

Public Safety committee  Thank you. On page 2 of your report you say that the RCMP is committed to your communities, with first aid training for your officers being one demonstrable enhancement. I just wonder, it would cost $8.5 million to equip every one of your cruisers with an AED, and it would save

Public Safety committee  Right. What I'm asking you is for $8.5 million, is there anything else the RCMP could do with that money that would save 300 lives a year?

Public Safety committee  What I'm really doing is inviting all of us to realize that there is no other way of achieving 300 lives saved per year for a cost of $8.5 million.

Public Safety committee  Fair enough. It is a comment. Let me go on to the next question. We're concerned about the extremes of heat and cold that the RCMP might face and this appears to be a reason for slowing things down. I just want to ask about the Medtronic and Zoll devices, which are the most com

Public Safety committee  I understand, but while you look at whether to procure them because you're worried about extremes of temperature, people are dying. With respect to extreme cold, are you aware that heated boxes can be used for AEDs to make sure they're not too cold?

Public Safety committee  That's good to know. It would serve in certain places. I accept there are some extraordinarily cold situations when the RCMP would want to be the responders, up north in particular. On page 7 you draw attention to cost-sharing issues: “These services are provided through Police

Public Safety committee  Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you for your co-operation. Those were somewhat aggressive questions, not directed at you but simply at anything that stands in the way of getting on with saving these lives.

Public Safety committee  Thank you. I think the answer, Pam, is that there's a lot of luck involved. If a 911 call comes in when a cruiser happens to be going by a house, then they can get there quickly and that vastly increases the chances of saving a life. If the cruiser is a couple of kilometres awa

Public Safety committee  It's 10 years.

Public Safety committee  About 5,000 cruisers....

Public Safety committee  Is that unique to the Ottawa Police Services, or is that a standard thing across police forces, to the best of your knowledge?

Public Safety committee  That's my impression, too. That's relevant to some of the police forces that don't yet have the units because, of course, training costs. If they're zero, that's a relevant consideration. It's already built in. I want to ask about trunk space. In the presentation they're going t

Public Safety committee  Okay, thank you. I had a similar experience. The Ontario Provincial Police have argued over the years that a lack of trunk space was an issue that prevented them from carrying defibrillators. I got so frustrated by this. On one occasion, I was at an event. It was a festival in F