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Justice committee  Thanks very much. I appreciate that.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  I have just one last question. You mentioned “evidence” and that when there were previous attempts to update the sex offender registry, maybe there wasn't enough evidence to add this to it. However, we heard evidence—specifically from the Canadian Veterinary Medical Associati

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  So, in terms of ordering, it's as simple as taking the definition of bestiality and placing it in proposed subsection 160(7), and bumping everything else up. Is that right? That sounds fine to me.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  It would just be an ordering issue. I understand that the definition of bestiality would become proposed subsection 160(7), and everything else would.... “The court may, in addition to any other sentence that it may impose” would now become proposed subsection 160(4), with 160(

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  They are now 160(4)(a) and 160(4)(b).

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  Everything in my amendment just becomes.... We have 160(4)(a) and 160(4)(b). Then six becomes five; seven becomes six; and the definition of bestiality becomes proposed subsection 160(7).

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  Honestly, the intention was just to take what we heard and to take the wording that existed in the code and apply it to this section. Mr. Davies, I think, raised a good point. My point in drawing the distinction between proposed paragraphs (a) and (b) is that I can imagine a cou

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  I have no strong views on ordering, as far as it goes. I defer to the drafters and their preferences.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  Yes. I certainly didn't draft this myself. As long as he gets what we're trying to drive at, that's the goal here. I defer to the drafters on that.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  Just for clarity, because I'm more comfortable with respect to ordering payment that it be the offender.... Is that the only paragraph, or are you also suggesting that the prohibition “from owning, having the custody or control of or residing in the same premises” would be about

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  Yes, that makes more sense.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  Exactly.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  That makes sense to me as well.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  It's pretty straightforward. Others have proposed similar amendments. It's to get at what witnesses brought forward, and I think there was unanimity on this subject. I'll leave it there. I think it speaks for itself.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith

Justice committee  Obviously, this is drafted by legislative drafters, and I know there was some conversation about redundancy in “animal” versus “bird”. I wonder if you could comment as to whether it makes sense to just say “as an animal” and delete “or a bird”.

February 21st, 2019Committee meeting

Nathaniel Erskine-Smith