Government Operations committee  Obviously, if the committee recommends that, we'll look at it, but in my experience the fact that it exists, the fact that organizations have to go through these steps, employees go through steps, and the fact that people do come forward, speaks to the fact that it's good that it

Government Operations committee  Thank you.

Government Operations committee  There are a number of things going on. It's not just one-time, one-step. In departments, as you mentioned, they go for training. They have to pass the training, it's mandatory training. In their departments there are constant armchair learning sessions. Some of the groups get tog

Government Operations committee  If you knew who was putting forward the claim.... Again, it depends on the situation, but if I knew that my name was going to become public, I might not want to make the disclosure. I think we're trying to have a culture where employees feel that when they see wrongdoing, and the

Government Operations committee  Go ahead.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  Yes.

Government Operations committee  All deputy heads have the authority and the responsibility to take the reports and take them seriously. If there is an apparent or perceived conflict and they are worried about it, they have the option of either asking another department to carry it out or asking the commission

Government Operations committee  I misunderstood the question at first.

Government Operations committee  In what context is this....?

Government Operations committee  When you sign your letter of offer, you have the code, you sign the code, you take the training. If you come across wrongdoing, I think it is an employee's duty, if you like, to tell somebody. If they are not comfortable internally, as I said, they have the external commissioner

Government Operations committee  I'm not aware of the assumptions and the discussion that put that in. I'm just describing to you how I see it.

Government Operations committee  My views are based on my experience in the public service. I think confidentiality is absolutely imperative. If the reports come out and they start to name the wrongdoer....

Government Operations committee  Why don't I finish?

Government Operations committee  If it's really serious, why shame them? You want the person to rehabilitate, take whatever discipline is coming, and then hopefully learn lessons from it. Depending on the seriousness, it's always on a case-by-case basis. But I don't see any gain in disclosing names in that situa