Public Accounts committee  With the pilot project, I'm assuming it's that or the time. It's one or the other, right? My understanding is that in doing the pilot project plus the other things, there was a time constraint. Again, we go back to the launch with the compensation advisers who were leaving, so th

Public Accounts committee  It was April 11.

Public Accounts committee  I did.

Public Accounts committee  Not to my recollection. We didn't even have the Gartner report until I found out about it when we were here, I think, at committee. The binder is really big, though, and I'd have to go back. My recollection is that the Gartner report was not in there, but I could confirm that if

Public Accounts committee  It was the Treasury Board that ordered the Gartner report. I believe it was January or December, or was it before Christmas?

Public Accounts committee  My understanding is that they had mitigation measures for that, too, but clearly it was not a good decision.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Deltell, I would ask the committee to think carefully about this: to think that two or three people have succeeded, voluntarily or involuntarily, in causing the situation we find ourselves in today, which is a catastrophic failure, is really to simplify things.

Public Accounts committee  It's a complex project with many—

Public Accounts committee  I'm not certain about that.

Public Accounts committee  You'll just remember that I was not there. I'm saying that—

Public Accounts committee  I've been so focused on fixing the pay issue since I've arrived that I've just started to be able to look at putting in best practices to make sure that we don't.... The details about—

Public Accounts committee  The budget was approved.

Public Accounts committee  I don't know what to tell you. Again, I was not there. The one thing that I can tell you is that IBM agreed to go ahead with this.

Public Accounts committee  At the end of the day, deputies are accountable under their watch, but executives work.... Was the decision at that point made by the person, or was it discussed with the deputy? I don't know.

Public Accounts committee  This is a really good question because I just told you when we started that we manage 430 plus 2,500 projects. It's about 3,000 projects that go on at PSPC. They're not all the same, which is what I was saying earlier. I think what we're missing—