Public Accounts committee  I don't have it with me. I'm sorry.

Public Accounts committee  I think one thing that is absolutely clear is that not one single thing made this thing go wrong. There are a number of elements. That's why I keep talking about the multiple points of failure.

Public Accounts committee  Again, I wasn't—

Public Accounts committee  —there, but I do know the decision was made to work within the budget and not ask for more.

Public Accounts committee  That is correct.

Public Accounts committee  The request is made by the minister to the ministers at the Treasury Board.

Public Accounts committee  Maybe the Treasury Board might be able to give you more on the process.

Public Accounts committee  It was a very old system. The Auditor General had raised issues with the system that was there. There was a lot of manual process; that's correct. When the rollout started, it was rolling to the new system from the known system. The only system that was there was for the data, f

Public Accounts committee  If you remember, it was originally going to be September and November. Then it went to February and April, April being a pretty significant month in the world of government, so it was end of fiscal year. Any extension would have required departments to go back and ask for money f

Public Accounts committee  Yes.

Public Accounts committee  The part that was driving most of the timeline was the fact that the compensation advisers were being let go, so there was a—

Public Accounts committee  I believe it was in 2014. I could give you the proper dates. There were three waves, but it was around that date that the letters were sent out.

Public Accounts committee  That's correct. The cost is established through a process where you go to the Treasury Board, you get approval, and then you have your authorities to work within those envelopes to deliver a project.

Public Accounts committee  First of all, neither of us presided over that, because we were not there. However, I will tell you the lesson for me in this, and that's what we have put forward. It's very clear that, as I said, we manage a lot of projects. We have rules and we have playbooks for projects. Thi

Public Accounts committee  Federal government executives often have more than one project, yet these people did not get any performance pay. Furthermore, they are no longer working in the pay section.