Public Accounts committee  No, not necessarily.

Public Accounts committee  Actually, I didn't say that.

Public Accounts committee  I said I didn't really have the same information as him. I do not have the information that Mr. Ferguson has. I do not know what the employees said or didn't say to my predecessor.

Public Accounts committee  That's what Mr. Ferguson said in his report.

Public Accounts committee  I cannot agree or disagree, because I was not in that office. I do not have that information. When I ask the question, I don't get the same answer.

Public Accounts committee  They do not agree with Mr. Ferguson's findings.

Public Accounts committee  Two of these three people still are. I would like to clarify one thing. Mr. Ferguson said that two of the senior officials reported directly to the deputy minister. This was not the case for the third, who is an executive in Public Services and Procurement Canada.

Public Accounts committee  That person isn't working for the Government of Canada.

Public Accounts committee  The person retired.

Public Accounts committee  Both of them still work for our department.

Public Accounts committee  Mr. Deltell, I will answer your questions, but I would like you to understand the following. Both of the executives who reported to the deputy minister made mistakes. We know that, the Auditor General said it. However, he also said that there were flaws in governance and oversigh

Public Accounts committee  I do not really have the same information as Mr. Ferguson on that. In any case, these people were evaluated. There weren't any bad intentions behind it. Nobody acts like this so that the system doesn't work. The fact remains that these people were evaluated, and they suffered the

Public Accounts committee  First, they did not receive any performance pay that year for implementing the system.

Public Accounts committee  In hindsight, yes. We are able to learn from it, and that is what we are doing at the moment. We will put them into effect.

Public Accounts committee  Well, costs and timelines are always important. However, they must not be the dominant factor in the decisions. What we have learned over time is that investments must be made in order to reap the benefits of those investments. Spending more time to plan at the beginning of a pro