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June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  It's a good question, into which I don't really have insight. The obvious answer, I guess, from my perspective, is that if we're going to take sanctions seriously, then we're going to have to find a way to do that.

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  The alternative is to say that we don't have the resources to take sanctions seriously. Perhaps I could make one suggestion. This is not necessarily limited to sanctions. There's a lot of fraud, money laundering and other associated areas that could get work. There are options f

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  The two most obvious, for us, are the U.K. and the U.S. To me, because the U.S. does this better than anyone else in the world in terms of enforcement, and also because they're our closest partner and the one we align our sanctions regime most closely with, it makes sense to lo

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  The problem right now is that.... If someone can't ship goods to Iran, what do they do? They don't ship it to Iran; they ship it to another country and then it goes to Iran. The only way we can stop that is if we know ahead of time that this individual will be shipping to Iran, a

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  I will do my best. I just want to be clear on that: I was doing my best to add up every individual over a 30-year period, not at any one given time. If I'm wrong on that, I apologize. I will certainly look out, but I would commend her work to you as well.

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  Honestly, I haven't studied it, so I can't say that. I can say that we've probably been criticized enough at this point. It's probably evident enough that we don't have a whole lot, at least in terms of the criminal prosecution enforcement side, and that it is not happening. T

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  Oh boy, where to start? There is the office of foreign assets control within Treasury, which really has the expertise on the business side, the following-the-money side, the following-corporate-structure side, to assist the State Department and others in coming up with those lis

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  I said there was no enforcement that I knew of. If you're aware of a criminal case, I'd be happy to hear it.

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  Again, we have sanctioned under Magnitsky. What I was speaking about was enforcement. I haven't seen that, but I'm happy to be corrected in that regard, if we've had a criminal prosecution.

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  I would leave that to the government. The point of my testimony is merely to say that the other side of having sanctions in place, of saying that it's important that we recognize wrongdoing abroad, that we don't contribute to it and that we don't have Canadians or those operati

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  My apologies, I can't remember off the top of my head. Dr. Andrea Charron has done a lot of work over the years on this, so I'd refer you to her, if you want. If you haven't spoken to her, she is an—

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  It's grossly inaccurate today. That's 30 years of different sanctions and sanctions regimes coming into and out of place. If you add all those up over the years, you're talking about a number that is far more than the 3,000 that exist, as you are saying. I am not sure if that 3,

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  I am terribly sorry if that was unclear. I believe what I said was that they're the only ones enforcing sanctions in a meaningful way. If somehow that became unclear, I sincerely apologize.

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt

Foreign Affairs committee  Again, I am absolutely not saying that.

June 15th, 2023Committee meeting

Prof. Michael Nesbitt