Industry committee  Yes, I am referring to the national government in terms of who I think needs to put forward a national plan. There is definitely a role for the provinces, for municipalities, for the territories and for local communities to play in determining what that looks like for them. Howev

Industry committee  I can hear the interpretation. Thank you.

Industry committee  Thank you, and thank you for your patience. When we are talking about the plans for putting this forward, for us, the plan needs to be national and the funding needs to be national. In terms of who the government is funding, I don't necessarily believe, and we don't necessarily

Industry committee  Yes, that is what I mean. I think there are worlds in which more dramatic intervention could look like that, but I think the plan we are putting forward is for the government to fund those smaller providers, as opposed to taking over the networks to operate them themselves.

Industry committee  Yes.

Industry committee  Sorry but I just need to interrupt for one second. The translation is not working on my stream. I apologize. My French is so poor I would not be able to understand anything.

Industry committee  There's no translation service. There's no ability to switch languages on my Zoom.

Industry committee  No, I'm sorry. I emailed as well. There is no ability to flip that I can find.

Industry committee  Yes, it's a MacBook.

Industry committee  No, I apologize. I've been looking for it for the whole meeting. I can't find any option for it.

Industry committee  That's the point I was getting at around the money. It sounds so silly to keep coming back to it, but that's why the current approach hasn't worked: because it has been waiting for companies to do it themselves, and they have been so reliant on what would be profitable. As we've

Industry committee  I think there are a number of models the government has already used for applications for funding. They have frequently led to the same providers receiving the money. They've actually, I think, in some cases for the incumbents, learned to not invest until the government is willin

Industry committee  I think the concerns that we have in these privacy principles.... That is one of the other things we're putting in the written record of this proceeding, because there's only so much time today. We will have more on it. I think the biggest concern for us around voluntary versus

Industry committee  When we look at the really big picture, I don't think these apps are going to work. I think that's the big problem. I think that forcing them onto people when they're not going to actually have the impact that's desired—

Industry committee  I think, from a principled perspective, the way the government treats its citizens in crisis is the biggest test of our democracy. That's really why it's still a hill to battle for now.