Public Safety committee  Do we know, officially, how much is being spent on these types of programs, like CSIS' disruption programs? Is this all covert and secret? If so, why is it secret from the public?

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  Thank you.

Public Safety committee  It's in the bill, so do you want this in the wording?

Public Safety committee  The other thing is, it says it restricts bodily harm and sexual harassment or sexual abuse of the target, but it doesn't say anything about psychological abuse, so to me that says anything besides bodily harm, death, and sexual abuse is permitted, which leaves all these other abuses open to them.

Public Safety committee  Violating the sexual integrity....

Public Safety committee  That is not true. If you're not doing anything wrong, they can still paint you as a criminal. We see in the case of CSIS, I think his last name was Nuttall, and how they were funding this little terrorist cell and paying for it and coercing them and supporting them into doing this terrorist attack.

Public Safety committee  The RCMP and CSIS.

Public Safety committee  That's what the papers say, unless everyone's lying. So you see there are these abuses, and it's not always the criminals that they're after. They might be people who might be just against government policy. They could be someone the government doesn't like it. They're speaking up too loudly and they want to silence them.

Public Safety committee  No, I'm just speaking for myself here. My name is Ian. I assume that most people here know the general contents of Bill C-51, and have heard many times about the rights that it takes away from us. To go into detail about the many ways this bill subverts our Constitution would take much more time than we have here today.

Public Safety committee  There are many specific things that would take awhile to talk about. The worst thing is the fact that spies can go in and search and seize, unreasonable search and seizure, and break the Constitution that way. They can take anything and remove anything. Basically, if we had 100% trust in our security services, everything would be fine.