Information & Ethics committee  I would, but with the caveat that as technology advances, we see a really big merger of the private and the professional.

Information & Ethics committee  I believe they're telling the truth, but I believe the law and the policies have not kept up with the capabilities of these devices and what they're capable of.

Information & Ethics committee  I don't believe employees understand that.

Information & Ethics committee  If we go back to the model where the OPC would have a role in procurement, then we'd have a reporting mechanism. Instead of having agencies making up their minds about what they do on their own, there's an obstacle there. There's a step that everybody has to pass through where in

Information & Ethics committee  Tools change all the time and their abilities change all the time. The programs are probably too general to capture the evolving capabilities of tools.

Information & Ethics committee  Absolutely.

Information & Ethics committee  I couldn't say whether or not data sovereignty is out of the scope of the conversation. I think that—

Information & Ethics committee  I'll put it in writing.

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, it's a problem, but I don't think it's necessarily limited to the current government. This directive actually originates in 2002. This was misstated by various witnesses at this committee, who were basing this on the 2018 directive. The original directive was in 2002. I th

Information & Ethics committee  Yes, definitely. For instance, if government information is on the cloud and people access it through the cloud on a device, then that could be a possibility.

Information & Ethics committee  Sure. I don't think we've entered it; I think it goes back a very long time. For instance, in my work looking at how we use radio waves to do surveillance in Canada, CSIS has had the authority from, at that time, the Department of Communications to use the airwaves to surveil dom

Information & Ethics committee  Do you mean corporations?

Information & Ethics committee  I would be troubled if corporations were able to buy these technologies. If they were, I would have the same expectations in terms of consent.

Information & Ethics committee  Their capabilities are somewhat the same. With spyware, you have applications that are surreptitiously installed on people's phones in order to spy on them in real time. Mobile forensic devices give you the ability to access the same granularity of data after the fact, so they're

Information & Ethics committee  No, but I do have evidence that they have purchased the technology to do it. Why would you purchase technology to be able to access these things if you were not planning to do it? These are separate technologies. Mobile forensic devices are various software and hardware pieces. T