Public Safety committee  It is the Security Intelligence Review Committee, or SIRC.

Public Safety committee  First of all, you have to understand the nature of the committee that the bill would create. It is a committee of parliamentarians, but not a committee of Parliament, it is a creature of the executive. I don't think this is the first time you have heard this. This is why the prim

Public Safety committee  It that clause 14 or clause 15?

Public Safety committee  Earlier, with Mr. Dubé, we touched on paragraph 8b). This paragraph is a restriction; how often will it be applied? We have to consider this. Based on what a minister said recently, this prerogative will be used very rarely. I have a note in English that explains my thinking. I

Public Safety committee  We have to understand—and I believe you understand this too—that there is a difference between review, which is part of the mandate, and access to the information referred to in clause 13 and in the following clauses. I would say it is not exactly the same thing.

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  Are you referring to committees of experts?

Public Safety committee  I don't see it that way. I do not think it is a question of taking precedence. I see what you are getting at, but each committee or body has its own mandate. I don't think it is a question of precedence. I do not see it that way at all. The expert review mandate that we have, as

Public Safety committee  Yes.

Public Safety committee  That might be useful. I do not see a problem in calling witnesses to appear if you wish. For example, if you are conducting a review of a specific department and want access to documents and witnesses, but are being refused, it could be problematic if you do not have a power of

Public Safety committee  Yes, that is something to consider. That is the power to subpoena persons to appear with documents, known as duces tecum, as you said.

Public Safety committee  I think one of the principal challenges to restore and enhance public trust will be transparency. The committee and also the expert review bodies must strive to provide as much information as possible to Parliament and to the public in general, so that there can be a better under

Public Safety committee  Well, I suspect that this is why we are called expert review bodies. We have experts who work for us. I agree with you that it's not always easy to understand what CSE is doing and, believe me, I was appointed three years ago and I'm still trying to understand exactly, in all the

Public Safety committee  Yes.