Government Operations committee  More or less, yes.

Government Operations committee  We're not part of the public sector, of course; we're private sector. We're representing public sector employees. In terms of wrongdoing on the union side, I'm not sure I understand exactly what you are—

Government Operations committee  When the water is ice cold, people just don't go swimming. There are the legal fees, as well. I mean, $1,500 for legal fees just isn't going to cut it.

Government Operations committee  I think that if we go forward, every minister, every deputy minister, and every assistant deputy minister has to make it a mantra that wrongdoing potentially costs, whether it's private sector or public sector, an enormous amount of money—far more, probably, than the actual act t

Government Operations committee  That said, I think it's important that to be fair, we wait to see what the Auditor General, in the appropriate instances, has to say once we've done the autopsy on just what the heck happened with Phoenix. I think that at this point we'll be able to look back. I don't want to m

Government Operations committee  I'll let Ms. Harewood respond first, but I'd also like to make a few comments.

Government Operations committee  We need to be careful. In the first part of your question, you spoke of collective agreements.

Government Operations committee  In our experience with collective agreements, even in cases where the agreement was blatantly violated, people wait until they're desperate and they have no other avenue of recourse possible to file a grievance. This is even for something normal. A great deal of water may have fl

Government Operations committee  Merci, monsieur le président. Good morning, and thank you for inviting PSAC to talk with you about the PSDPA. With me is Patricia Harewood. She is the legal officer with the collective bargaining branch at PSAC. The act should provide guidance, support, and protection for pu