Finance committee  That's right. The minister said that himself.

Finance committee  I am not aware of any, sir.

Finance committee  April 6, 7, 8, the very early days—

Finance committee  The records will show that those early days were about describing an entire frame for the student package, which turned out to be the $9 billion—

Finance committee  All those companies and organizations I mentioned in my opening statement were all part of the broad ideas we were considering leading up to the April 22 announcement and decision by the government to, at a very high level—

Finance committee  Thank you. Leading up to the April 22 announcement, in fact, the Department of Finance had not contacted any of those organizations, including WE. The officials had not contacted any of them.

Finance committee  I can't speculate and I don't know who would have been talking to WE, if anybody. It was certainly not me or Department of Finance officials. I would clarify for the committee that in this second proposal, which was building on the first one, in addition to social entrepreneurs

Finance committee  The proposals that came to me.... None of these, actually, came to me. I am aware that there was a proposal from U15 with respect to universities. You'll recall that this is an entire student package, not just the student grant.

Finance committee  What I could say, sir, is that the PM's announcement on April 22 was high-level. There was no identification of a party. It was just a set-aside, and ESDC then did follow-up with respect to how to deliver this and with whom. It would, then, be ESDC who would make the determinat

Finance committee  Thank you. I can only tell you the facts as I understand them and know them. They are that on April 20 there was one conversation between my minister's office and WE, which I have already discussed. Outside of that, other than my own conversation with Rachel and WE on the 24th,

Finance committee  You are correct.

Finance committee  That would have been my colleague Rachel Wernick.

Finance committee  It would be my pleasure. Indeed, the committee has ordered us to produce all kinds of documentation, which we are gathering and will be submitting by the August 8 deadline.

Finance committee  No, sorry. I said that I can recollect for sure.... This was a teleconference at 10:00 at night, I think, or late in the evening. It was me, Suzy, and Rachel for sure. Beyond that, my recollection is a just a little—

Finance committee  One, Suzy.