Fisheries committee  No, I was talking about displacing fishing efforts in the fishing area.

Fisheries committee  Not necessarily.

Fisheries committee  In the short term, and I made it clear, you may need to cut effort, and cutting effort, everything being equal, will involve some people. But in the medium term and long term.... This is the thing—the economist doesn't just look at today. If you did that, you would never save for

Fisheries committee  The key thing is whether the activity impacts the ecosystem or the fishery. Catch and release is better than catch and take home, but we also know that there's mortality involved with that.

Fisheries committee  Yes. There is that, if you can live with that, and maybe that's okay, but it depends on the objective, as he said.

Fisheries committee  Commercial industrial fishing, yes, I actually see movement around the world toward that, and there is a lot of discussion these days about small-scale fisheries versus industrial large-scale fisheries. This point you are making is coming up again and again. Why is this so? Whe

Fisheries committee  Okay. From what I am seeing in the international arena, yes, there is a push toward more small-scale, community-based fisheries that serve the communities more.

Fisheries committee  Mr. Chair, I want to start by thanking you for giving me the opportunity to share some of our work and the work of colleagues around the world on marine protected areas. I specialize in the economics of the oceans and fisheries. We develop bioeconomics models. We do evaluations.