Public Safety committee  I've been told that, at the end of the day, the kinds of things that are being proposed in this amendment would be included within that definition, but I don't have any information or analysis to further unpack that.

Public Safety committee  No. It would make explicit what is already implicit there.

Public Safety committee  For organizations within Canada that would undertake activities that would engage this charter right, I would assume that the prohibition is there. This is new for CSE, in that these are new elements to our mandate that have been added on active and defensive. That provision is n

Public Safety committee  They were not added to those elements of our intelligence collection, because they were deemed unnecessary, given the nature of those activities that would be undertaken under those authorizations, as compared with the ones that would happen where, in fact, instead of intelligenc

Public Safety committee  To tell you the truth, I don't know enough about the specifics of how that works. I just don't know.

Public Safety committee  No, I just want to underscore again that we are there to preserve, and to support through advice, guidance, and services, cybersecurity for Canada, not to undermine that. We have strong relationships with the telecom sectors and other folks who work very hard to protect networks.

Public Safety committee  That's right. That information cannot be retained unless it's essential to international affairs, defence, or security.

Public Safety committee  That's right, and that's reviewed annually by the CSE commission.

Public Safety committee  In terms of an interception, incidentally acquiring, ultimately, we are always looking at a foreign target. If that foreign target calls somebody it knows in Canada, we know it has called somebody in Canada, even though we're focusing on the foreign target. Again, if it is saying

Public Safety committee  No. The way we structure the foreign intelligence collection program is to stay off those networks, and to target those areas where we're less likely to pick up on a Canadian. The way telecommunications move throughout the world, you could call me and that might route through ano

Public Safety committee  Unfortunately, I'm not personally an expert on military procurement and the like, but I would say we're basically available when called upon to do this kind of testing evaluation. Obviously, there are other measures that are built into contracts and works that perhaps PSPC and ot

Public Safety committee  Someone would ask us to do that, or it would depend on what element of.... Obviously core networks are things at the periphery or at the core. You basically would do a risk assessment. That is my understanding.

Public Safety committee  That would be a challenge.

Public Safety committee  Can you repeat that, just so I make sure—

Public Safety committee  Would we introduce malware? No, this is the test for vulnerabilities of the system. This isn't for us. This is in the cybersecurity part of our mandate. At the end of the day, I'm not an expert on the testing evaluation of it. I should say again that the purpose is to protect cyb