Government Operations committee  Right.

Government Operations committee  There's a DM-level committee, which meets on pay issues, that is chaired by the deputy clerk of the Privy Council. That is one of the pieces that has been done. In addition, in the fall, the Clerk of the Privy Council wrote all deputies and asked them to articulate exactly what

Government Operations committee  Mr. Chair, repeating a little bit of what I said, PCO's role in this is to provide public sector leadership for all departments. Also to provide advice to the Prime Minister. However, PSPC has leadership when it comes to the actual Phoenix system as well as delivering pay servi

Government Operations committee  Mr. Chair—

Government Operations committee  In PCO's role, PCO has provided advice to the Prime Minister and to cabinet. There's a cabinet minister level committee that meets on pay. There's a deputy minister level meeting that meets on pay.

Government Operations committee  It would not be appropriate for me to comment on advice provided to the Prime Minister. I will say as CFO I would not have been involved in that level of advice.

Government Operations committee  So Impact Canada Initiative, we have a secretariat. The ultimate programs are under each individual department. So using some of the clean tech as an example, that's NRCan that would be....

Government Operations committee  The $1.4 million is to provide a secretariat role whereby we provide advice to the departments. The results and delivery unit focuses on outcomes and measuring outcomes. They have the mandate tracker—

Government Operations committee  The results and delivery unit is another secretariat within PCO that works hand in hand with the Impact Canada initiative.

Government Operations committee  Individual departments are responsible for selecting the metrics they use. We aggregate them and transparent....

Government Operations committee  I can't speak to spending but I can speak to the budget that's allocated.

Government Operations committee  Okay. I'll turn it to my colleague who I think can answer part of that.

Government Operations committee  When we do Treasury Board submissions, we estimate the cost we need, and we do a thorough costing. To the best of our ability, we make sure that there are enough funds available. The funding that we've requested though supplementary estimates (C) we believe is enough funding to

Government Operations committee  We have already started work on setting up that secretariat. That secretariat is staffed right now. We're already doing work with a number of departments. It's important to remember that the PCO's role in this as the centre of expertise is providing that expertise to other depa

Government Operations committee  The centre of expertise would work with the department and would come up with ideas at the program creation stage to look at innovative ways we could do this and ways we can incentivize outcomes. Really, this is about moving from processes and outcomes to really trying to find